This is why we should NEVER tolerate this invasive "anti cheats" (aka rootkits) on our systems. "lol".

[u/Technical-Sound1158]

[u/12ozMouse____]

I’ve used it for 4 years with no issues 🤷‍♂️

[u/Sad__Raccoon]

I'm so glad I removed riot before this change was implemented

[u/Bobakmrmot]

Just never play multiplayer diarrhea and you're good. Also pirate literally everything you can and isn't DRM free, that's the only type of game that should be supported.

[u/MistPlays]

No problem with val

[u/TheDominantNinja94]

I tried playing valorant like 2 years ago and it blue screened my PC and boot looped me. I reinstalled windows and then said never again with a root kit

[u/FewTea8637]

Laughs in Valorant

[u/Tanishq_1]

What's the whole issue ?

[u/exceller0]

What is Vanguard? oO did i missed something?

[u/TactiCool_99]

pro tip: if a game uses kernel level anticheat, someone either in dev or management is completely stupid (recommendation: protest)

[u/Sion_forgeblast]

cant be toxic if no PC to be toxic using

[u/Thraxx01]

ITT: People who have absolutely zero grasp on how anti cheat works

[u/AtraxX_]

Nobody forces you to play it. You have no loss deinstalling it after trying. You guys are a bunch of crybabies. Probably never even touched the game. But complaining is always good :)

[u/Cyber_Akuma]

So many Riot employees in this post...

[u/Danii1024]

I have it and still had no issue with it (lucky me)

[u/Rude_Champ93]

Oh thank god I dropped that shitty FPS themed dating cringe simulator of a game called valorant

[u/Cyber_Akuma → u/Rude_Champ93]

The problem is that they just added it to League of Legends, that's what this article is about. And are likely going to keep adding it to their other games too. Riot has been very adamant about refusing to acknowledge any complaints or concerns about that garbage and the subreddits for their games have been silencing criticism and basically kissing up to it being a good thing.

[u/Pestelis]

They made quitting LOL real easy.

[u/MaffinLP]

Didnt know league didnt have it been playing val fine on 3 PCs and a virtual machine now, vanguard aint the issue, cheaters that got banned and now complain are

[u/Brann-Ys]

LoL support already saod these rare case have been investigated and was not a issue relatzd to Vanguard

[u/WeddingPretend9431]

Have fun booting a cs match without faceit

[u/Kled_the_hussard]

I don't understand how it's possible

I have installed vanguard a month after Valorant came out and never uninstalled it

Never had any crash caused by vanguard

[u/Extreme_Garlic_87000]

When I was working as a Cybersecurity Analyst a few years ago, I remember a few times where we received reports of suspicious activity coming from some computers.

Looking through the report, we could see this piece of code did really nasty things. Injected in the kernel level, could monitor processes... And we were like "Yep, that's malware behavior".

Until we saw that the folder the code was in had a familiar game name. And the hash came back positive for an AntiCheat software.

Now I really don't want these things on my computer. And no one would install these if they saw what they really can do.

[u/xeim]

Hot take here: for a game like cs2 i would take an invasive anticheat since right now the game is unplayable because of hacks. If it cuts the community down to 1/10th i dont care

[u/klementineQt]

The amount of misinformation and even satire being taken as fact in this thread is wild. Whole lot of genuine gamers™

[u/Krcko98]

What the hell is vanguard

[u/Cyber_Akuma → u/Krcko98]

A very very invasive anti-cheat that grants itself kernel-level access (basically making it a root kit) and constantly interferes with applications and even drivers from running if it doesn't like them. (a.k.a. falsely flags a perfectly fine program/driver as something for cheating)

[u/Krcko98 → u/Cyber_Akuma]

Isnt that program been inside Valorant since launch? I insta deinstalled it when I saw root access from anti cheat. Did not know it had a name. Why is the angry mob angry now after like a year+.

[u/Cyber_Akuma → u/Krcko98]

They just added it to League of Legends, that's what the article is about, it mentions LoL players.

[u/Krcko98 → u/Cyber_Akuma]

Ooooh, LoL has it now. I get it. Thanks.

[u/Hakzource]

There’s a YouTube video I’ve recently watched about how Riot Vanguard (among other Kernal ACs) was completely bypassed and how they ran cheats for aimbot in Valorant. Highly recommended watch, from a channel called Unity Research

[u/balaci2]

I imagine there's people defending riot or these games lmao

just don't play garbage

[u/therandomasianboy]

God I love that my friend got me into the other hyper addictive MOBA game, at least I can say it's fun

[u/DemoP1s]

A lot of cheaters are manufacturing false stuff around this in an attempt to manipulate coverage, I’ve had it installed and had no issue with the new requirements for LoL. Hope those having issues can get them addressed but I’m doubtful many of these claims are legit and not cheaters

[u/balaci2 → u/DemoP1s]

I’ve had it installed and had no issue with the new requirements for LoL

I'm sure you're the benchmark for consistency

A lot of cheaters are manufacturing false stuff around this in an attempt to manipulate coverage

wildest thing I've read today lmao

[u/DemoP1s → u/balaci2]

Some of the posts I’ve seen have had proof from cheat forums showing users there talking about making stuff up regarding vanguard causing issues, and several things on Twitter such as the ks.sys driver post and the screenshot.

[u/balaci2 → u/DemoP1s]

cheat forums?

regardless, fuck cheaters, but let's not act like stuff like Vanguard deserves any kind of acceptance and support

[u/Guy8765]

lol players get what lol players deserve

[u/Troimer]

How can I be sure that Vanguard got actually removed from my PC after simply uninstalling it?

[u/balaci2 → u/Troimer]

clean install

[u/Troimer → u/balaci2]

Damn, that‘s not the answer I was hoping for

[u/balaci2 → u/Troimer]

you can try to use revo uninstaller if you want tho

[u/Youcican_]

lol

[u/Flexyjerkov]

me just sitting here running Linux and not being able to run invasive AC in the first place.

Life is good.

[u/culoman]

Two months without playing LoL and I just played (and updated Vanguard) 9 hours before reading this T_T

[u/a1rwav3]

Never had any issue with Vanguard on myself

[u/cannabiskeepsmealive]

I had just gotten back into TFT, I've been playing nothing but that for about a month now and was starting to spend money on cosmetics. Riot client uninstalled immediately upon seeing the "you must now use Vanguard to play!" splash screen. Guess they hate money.

[u/stop_talking_you]

you dont want an anticheat made by ccp

[u/ThatGuyMaulicious]

Riot making an inhouse anti-cheating software and then labelling invasive anti-cheats as all bad just doesn't make sense. You are exposing yourself on the internet no matter what you do. Humans will always be the weakest link in any IT system. Whether you stupidly download something slightly dodgy, go to a dodgy website, allow some program full access. Anything you do its on you. EAC is invasive and is questionable but I'd rather have that then have entire community of players report cheating when it'll be lucky for a 1/3rd of the players to be bothered enough to report it.

Vanguard is a entire new problem but that's on Riot and no one else.

[u/Drogovich]

Holy shit this thing.

By the way did you know that this anticheat doesn't have an uninstaller? and uninstalling it manually is a pain in the ass. I uninstalled all the games that were in riot launcher, uninstalled riot and had to manually search the folders with anticheat and delete it.

It also had 50/50 chance of crashing my entire PC when i was turning in off.

[u/IAteMyYeezys]

https://preview.redd.it/1dxprg5om5yc1.png?width=763&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13cbc9c7c7155bd046d5e52f93cef6d83e3609d5

Cant replicate because i dont have a riot game installed but i find this pretty hilarious. Not surprising though, considering Riot is the most competent dev in existence /s.

Friend sent me the screenshot above so im not sure which sub it is (valorant or league). Im inclined towards league because friend very rarely plays valorant.

[u/Issues3220]

Game drops to 1fps at random moments (for like 15seconds) full AMD build. Instant uninstall.

[u/Squibucha]

is this the new type of kernel level anti-cheat i heard about?

[u/turn_down_4wat]

The irony is that Riot forced everybody to install this garbage, but Vanguard is still not capable of *actually* stopping cheaters from cheating, at least in Valorant it's been proven time and again that hacks not only work, but can be undetectable.

[u/balaci2 → u/turn_down_4wat]

"I've never seen cheaters in my 69k hours of Val sweetie"

[u/turn_down_4wat → u/balaci2]

You don't have to believe me, you can just research it yourself.
Here, this is a crash course into how cheats work in Valorant and why Riot will never be able to get rid of cheaters, despite using a kernel level anticheat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M

[u/balaci2 → u/turn_down_4wat]

i agreed with you in the first place

[u/Blunt552]

I understand the point of vanguard in Valorant, but what cheats would you use in LoL?

[u/xSchizogenie → u/Blunt552]

Riot claims that vanguard is Not only „anticheat“ is also prevents people from using AFK-bots and stuff.

[u/Blunt552 → u/xSchizogenie]

That makes sense, considering how huge the bot market is in Dota2. I wish other companies would give as much of a sht as RIOT does.

[u/ThunderShiba134]

Jesus Christ thank God I am not a LoL player

[u/Nagatoroo]

The whole removal of being able to pick the character you want to play made my friend group and I leave the game. Really hate pick and ban games, really annoying. Got super into it for a while and then it became pick and ban

[u/El_Basho]

For me, never playing league again is like dropping a 2eur coin down a storm drain. Makes me a bit sad, but generally don't give a shit

[u/notsocoolguy42]

Come to dota 2 brother, it's a better game, we have candies here.

[u/Hollow602]

I really want to play Valorant. But I don't want Vanguard. It's a shitty situation.

[u/balaci2 → u/Hollow602]

don't play it, it's really not that good

sure millions play it, but A LOT of them are just having a habit

[u/weaselinhooo]

Valorant anti-cheat is one of the best if not THE best ever created.

[u/balaci2 → u/weaselinhooo]

it's so good it needs to be rooted in your bone marrow

[u/Witherboss445]

Yeah I’ll just stick to watching Arcane. Not touching the game with a 10 foot pole

[u/MaintenanceNo4109]

I literally play valorant in 5 months, now i have to delete it cus some Chinese Ahole wanna spy at me, now even csgo is gone, the worse cs2 exists, and i TF2 is also dying, is there even a good game which i can play online and enjoy

[u/Skiptz]

league is only fun as long as all of your friends play it. change my mind

[u/balaci2 → u/Skiptz]

it's not fun then either

[u/DBXVStan]

IMO kernel level anti cheat needs to be a thing to overcome the massive cheating problem in games, but it shouldn’t be used yet. I’ve already implemented a system where I have a “game OS” and a “daily OS” on two separate m.2 drives and I disable either or in bios to boot into whatever OS I’m using, so games can’t ruin the important stuff on my system (or its a bit more difficult). There’s probably easier ways to do this, but this was the obvious way for me.

This process, however, is stupid. Microsoft should come up with a system that does this via windows in a far more seamless way, so invasive anti cheats can be isolated from stuff that actually matters and be more palatable.

[u/Moper248 → u/DBXVStan]

Why the fuck would a person be supposed to need 2 systems because the anticheat of a goddamn videogame can possibly stalk your data and whatever you do? Anticheat is only supposed to be within the game, not in the whole computer. It isn't normal that you'd need a vm to make games not creep around in your fs

[u/DBXVStan → u/Moper248]

If you don’t want invasive anti cheat then accept that you’ll play online games with an abundance of cheaters, or don’t play online video games. Your idea of anti cheat doesn’t work. That’s it.

[u/Moper248 → u/DBXVStan]

Couldn't possibly games be automatically started in a built in vm?

[u/DBXVStan → u/Moper248]

That would be an interesting alternative. There’d probably be a big performance and latency hit on the first games that try it, but it would interrupt most current cheat engines

[u/Moper248 → u/DBXVStan]

Imo it'd be better option to try to get done well than invasive anticheats. Kernel anti cheats can't detect physical hacks any better than software and if you manage to create a safe containerized environment for the game then it will solve privacy issues and performance hits caused by the anticheats

[u/DBXVStan → u/Moper248]

You’re probably right. It’s just a thing I can’t see working cause I literally can’t conceptualize how it would all work. Feels like a kind of thing the Battlenet launcher should be replaced with, since you already have to open up a thing to open up a game that in turn opens up other games.

[u/Moper248 → u/DBXVStan]

Oh no I don't mean a separate game vm. I meant that each game would start normally from steam or clicking the exe file or whatever but it's start as a closed environment containerized application. Similar to how snap containers work but more secure

[u/DBXVStan → u/Moper248]

Gotcha I get it now. That’s a thing I deal with now as it is for finance programs, so I don’t see the problem implementing it for games

[u/Moper248 → u/DBXVStan]

Yahh finance programs gotta be safe and you can't make them invasive like that I assume so why games..

[u/crimsonfox1]

i once asked my friend who loved LoL and played religiously if i should start playing or not and he told me no. its not worth the time money or effort. so i never picked up the game. i played it maybe once out of curiosity back in like 2014 and didnt see the appeal. not playing has Cleary been the correct choice

[u/Muxer59]

Stealing all your data and having access to your full computer while having another form of monetisation is crazy

[u/darkscyde]

Bullshit. Cheaters love to complain about kernel level anticheat because it is actually effective. Vanguard is based. Fuck cheaters.

[u/balaci2 → u/darkscyde]

you're right man!! Riot needs to add ID checks, passport checks plus a weekly blood transfusion for good measure, surely the game is good enough to justify this!!!

[u/darkscyde → u/balaci2]

Ok gamer. Go sit on your chair and spin

[u/balaci2 → u/darkscyde]

ok junkie, get your dopamine fix, Val is awaiting your grace

[u/CompanyRepulsive1503]

Chinese software spying?!

[u/Current-Necessary-44]

hold on, i installed today ... client seems less buggy. games feel far more stable. i got mobalytics installed, seems fine to me. Maybe the people complaining are ...

[u/balaci2 → u/Current-Necessary-44]

Maybe the people complaining are ...

right, they are right

[u/imaginedodong]

My question is why is this a problem right now? when Valorant existed with vanguard since launch.

Is this strictly a LoL problem? did rito games failed to like optimise it or something?

[u/AlmightyK → u/imaginedodong]

Vanguard is being crammed into engines not designed to have the AC software running with it.

[u/Mini_Myser]

I Uninstalled the games but I still can't get rid of vanguard: (

[u/BrotherZael]

A lot of peoples issue is that; it doesn’t stop smurfs or boosters the main issues, can’t be opened and closed on a whim like other anticheats, on some peoples PCs it visibly makes your shit run slower, and people will just develop hardware that is undetectable and will cheat for them, it happened with fps games so why couldn’t it happen with RTS/MOBA

[u/TONKAHANAH]

fuck riot. fuck vanguard.

play dota on linux you pussy

[u/Apprehensive-Time355]

Laugh out loud indeed… /s

[u/MayorBryce]

Ooh! Whose gonna sue them?

[u/itachi_uchiihaa]

Everyone complaining about vanguard running 24x7 meanwhile me who starts it manually when need to play the game.

[u/MuramasaFan]

classic fear mongering by tech-illiterate redditors, who could have seen this coming

[u/Ashley__09]

I think you're crying. Faceit does the same thing with kernel drivers.

[u/AnoriginalnameCmon]

Uninstalled, just in case.

[u/chrizpii93]

It's either the "invasive" anti-cheat or games become literally unplayable due to cheaters.

[u/balaci2 → u/chrizpii93]

you should poison yourself otherwise other people will poison you

[u/AlmightyK → u/chrizpii93]

That's the TSA logic. And the TSA doesn't lower it enough to justify the hassle

[u/Altruistic_Item3806 → u/chrizpii93]

Except it isn't, vanguard actually has done very little to curb cheaters. People have found so many ways around it. So you are getting no extra security and giving up way more control.

[u/Curiouzity_Omega → u/Altruistic_Item3806]

Nah that sounds like a cheater complaining that they can't cheat. Valorant has had almost no cheaters compared to other FPS games I've ever played. Play one game of CS without Faceit and you'll see a spinbot in all of the matches. ALL MATCHES IN CS HAVE A CHEATER its not an exaggeration in the slightest. FREAKING ALL ABSOLUTELY EVERY SINGLE MATCH HAS A SPINBOT .

[u/Altruistic_Item3806 → u/Curiouzity_Omega]

If you google "Valorant Aimbot" the first thing is a github link to a working aimbot, along with the next few links all being cheats for it.

[u/balaci2 → u/Curiouzity_Omega]

Nah that sounds like a cheater complaining that they can't cheat.

holy mother of cope, just accept the game is built like garbage

[u/Curiouzity_Omega → u/balaci2]

I would cope that CS was built so well it has little cheaters but even the biggest fanboy in me can't pull myself to say that.

[u/balaci2 → u/Curiouzity_Omega]

CS used to be built well, but source 2 was more important apparently

[u/balaci2 → u/Curiouzity_Omega]

CS used to be built well, but source 2 was more important apparently

[u/Skyyblaze]

I like that many people are like "Even if they spy on me, I got nothing to hide, who cares". Spying isn't what you should be worried about, if someone smart manages to hack the Vanguard driver and finds a vulnerability they can easily pull off something like this with all PCs that have Vanguard running (Star Trek Picard Spoilers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v1GTS82OhM

[u/balaci2 → u/Skyyblaze]

they don't care either way

it's their stuff, they have the freedom to be unwise, let them be

[u/theholypigeon888]

That's why Valve is superior to Riot games.

[u/sgtkellogg]

I don’t play this game because it’s too much of a security risk. Also counter strike is. Better

[u/iMaReDdiTaDmInDurrr]

Cant wait for this internet rage-fad to pass. In a week no one will care anymore 🤣

[u/ilovemnms]

Yeah, theyre not actaully bricking. People are just petty and mad, Riot says they haven't had anyone come forward about their PC's being bricked.

One of their security techs just made a post.

https://www.reddit.com/user/RiotK3o/

[u/ToastedTreant]

Dota2 boys

[u/BellyDancerUrgot]

What ticks me off about vanguard is that it always remains open and you have to do a system reboot if u turn it off the next time u want to play league. It's way too messy and annoying to bother for me. Especially due to how often it conflicts with other stuff on my system and just blue screens (this is why I uninstalled valorant even tho I liked the game).

[u/LucyMor]

I waited a long time for Arena (game mode) to come back to League, to enjoy an hour or two of gaming a week, but sadly, I am not going to install this rootkit.

[u/Thunderstorm-1]

Yikes

[u/McGouche_]

I just came back from a 10 year gaming hiatus and a out a month ago I decided to see what the fuss behind valorant was about. I could barely get thru the tutorial without there anti cheat crashing my game giving me errors and telling me I needed to change settings in my BIOS in order for the anti cheat to run properly. Immediately nuked everything riot related from my computer. I felt so violated I wanted to reformat.

[u/MrInputs]

just play dota 2, folks

[u/Titanmaniac679]

Vanguard doesn't even run on Linux in the first place, so I'm good (I never played it anyway)

[u/balaci2 → u/Titanmaniac679]

at this point if a game doesn't run on Linux because of shit like this, then that game wasn't worth playing in the first place

[u/Fallom_]

Pretty easy not to play the one game or whatever that has this

[u/dickfarts87]

Anyone else uninstall LoL when they asked to install vanguard?

[u/BlueHawk555]

I don't mind kernel level anticheats.

I mind a kernel level anticheat that has to run 24/7 and starts at boot. Ridiculous security and privacy risk no matter how you spin it.

[u/freakazoidultimate]

stfu

[u/Dysfunctional_Waffle]

The HOTS community welcomes all the League refugees...

[u/Froggodile → u/Dysfunctional_Waffle]

Jumping from Riot to Blizzard? Nah, I'm just move to lord Gaben an DotA2.

[u/EasyEnvironment4800]

Thankfully it warned me about the upcoming rootkit, uninstalled league.

It's really tragic, I loved the game. Not worth having giving riot kernel level access.

[u/Snuddud]

On MacOS it works totally fine so far. Once it pays out to have a mac!

[u/LegoHentai-]

i don’t play league i play valorant, but it does crash my pc fr

[u/OrigaDiscordia]

I've been playing the game since season 2, but yeah, it looks like it's time for me to quit. I uninstalled the game today.

[u/balaci2 → u/OrigaDiscordia]

congratulations

[u/itchygentleman]

The Finals just released an update where some players will have to use secure boot

[u/balaci2 → u/itchygentleman]

I'm glad I stopped playing that

[u/itchygentleman → u/balaci2]

i went back after the stun nerf and it's just too sweaty of a game

[u/LulatschDeGray]

Valorant always looked stupid. Every character moves like they have a stick up their arse and you see opponents for .2 seconds before you or they die. What is the ttk in this game? Instant?

[u/SJIS0122 → u/LulatschDeGray]

Well of course, it's supposed to be a counter strike clone

[u/LulatschDeGray → u/SJIS0122]

Yes but it is so much worse.

[u/SJIS0122 → u/LulatschDeGray]

Is it really? Especially with peekers advantage in cs2

[u/balaci2 → u/SJIS0122]

Is it really?

yes, but CS2 isn't really brilliant either

[u/LulatschDeGray → u/SJIS0122]

I don't know what that means.

[u/ProTrader12321]

Do you want a game ruined by cheaters or invasive anti cheats? I'd rather have the anti cheats.

[u/balaci2 → u/ProTrader12321]

I'd rather play a good game

[u/Thunderstorm-1 → u/ProTrader12321]

There’s still cheaters in valo just look online

[u/ProTrader12321 → u/Thunderstorm-1]

I never said all cheaters would be abolished. Just saying you can't really complain about cheaters and then also complain about them trying to address the cheaters.

[u/Thunderstorm-1 → u/ProTrader12321]

True I see

[u/SlaKer440]

Vanguard for Valorant is the best FPS anticheat ever implemented change my mind

[u/balaci2 → u/SlaKer440]

if Riot asked for blood tests every other week, this mf would comply

[u/kurasoryu → u/SlaKer440]

I think you made a typo while writing Chinese spyware

[u/SlaKer440 → u/kurasoryu]

I get it, pcmr is a circle jerk of people who think they're smarter than everyone else lol. there's 0 evidence for your spyware claim and it is the most robust anti-cheat ever made due to the nature of tac fps games. coming from 10 years+ of counter strike, vanguard is the biggest leap forward in anticheat. If you have privacy concerns that's fine but to blanketly label a kernel level anticheat, designed for an extremely niche genre that REQUIRES it, as "chinese spyware" simply because it's made by a chinese company is laughable. Tencent already makes billions out of a massive and legitimate gaming / esports business, why would they jeopardize that to harvest data

[u/Jaibamon]

Looks like just a few indicents. Most of the players are fine with Vanguard.

If you try it, you will probably be fine too.

[u/AnoriginalnameCmon → u/Jaibamon]

This is not the League Subreddit.

[u/Jaibamon → u/AnoriginalnameCmon]

Tell that to the OP, then.

[u/AnoriginalnameCmon → u/Jaibamon]

Go to your Riot games Echo chamber subreddit, no one here will listen to a Braindead riot fan.

[u/Jaibamon → u/AnoriginalnameCmon]

No.

[u/Toxicsuper]

I guess my opinion is unpopular but I'd rather be in a game knowing players aren't cheating especially in a competitive game. I'm fine with it

[u/Grgamel]

Honestly I wouldnt mind the kernel access anticheat for ca2 altho Im generally against such things.

And that is ONLY because in my eyes volvo proved themselves as trustworthy with everything regarding the game and steam.

[u/SorbP]

I tried playing valorant, but it thinks the ASIO drivers for my soundcard is dubious so my sound does not work, no thnx.

I stoped playing LOL because of the toxic community... it just sucked.

[u/HelloIamAlpharius]

Seems r/leagueoflegends banned all discussions related to PC issues caused by integration of Vanguard into Lol. Example of corporate shilling

[u/Technical-Sound1158 → u/HelloIamAlpharius]

is impossible to post ANYTHING at the official sub, that place might as well don't exist tbh with the amount of control they have over it.

[u/1eho101pma → u/HelloIamAlpharius]

They have a bug megathread and tech issues haven't been allowed far before vanguard

[u/HelloIamAlpharius → u/1eho101pma]

there is a diference between Skin shop doesn't work and oficially distributed malware which bricks customers' PCs. Either they should allow to speak about this important topic or pin separate thread about it.

[u/1eho101pma → u/HelloIamAlpharius]

I know you're only getting the news now but the subreddit has been discussing this for months since the accouncement. Secondly you said "the subreddit banned all discussion related to PC issues caused by integration of vanguard" when tech support issues were banned already, so I'm confused about whether you knew this rule or not since you think its a cover-up because of vanguard

[u/lovecMC → u/1eho101pma]

Hes a League player. He can't read nor form a coherent though. Don't bother replying.

[u/Kostis102]

Isnt vanguard kernel level and therefore a risk to security if hacked by a third party or something?

[u/Kracton → u/Kostis102]

Yep, and Riot hasn't got the best track record for security.

[u/KainDing → u/Kracton]

Does it?

It has the one breach where the source code leaked and is the reason why they now added Vanguard to League.

Besides that i cant find anything online and honestly even looking at a hand full of over companies at a similar size i would argue Riot seems to have one of the best track records.

While yes once is enough, saying it has an especially bad record is just a bad faith argument.

[u/LOPI-14 → u/Kostis102]

Yes

[u/AxanArahyanda]

Was barely playing it anymore anyway. The announcement few months ago they would deploy Vanguard on it was just the final push that lead to uninstallation. Is the account selling still a thing?

[u/Need_a_BE_MG42_ps4]

I mean I only support vanguard on valorant because if you wanna play valorant in the first place you probably have several pending sexual assault charges

[u/xetr3]

Meanwhile cs2 players are begging for kernel anticheat

[u/balaci2 → u/xetr3]

they don't know what they're wishing for

[u/Ravonk]

Hey at least they tell you theyre installing a rootkit.. Looking at you Sony

[u/Tig_Ol_Belding → u/Ravonk]

Wait what game do they do that for?

[u/BigRonnieRon → u/Tig_Ol_Belding]

They have it on some of their games now too. Helldivers I think. They bury stuff in the EULA's no one reads. nProtect I think. P bad DRM.

Sony BMG did it with CD's years ago when Napster was a thing w/XCP so they're not new to this. Even less people bought CD's after the Sony thing to prevent piracy than because of Napster since the thing installed a rootkit. Natalie Imbruglia's second album wound up among the most widely available pirated albums of all time because of it. I think this may have led to way more attention than it deserved. It was a bland pop album that no one particularly felt any way about. Yet every hacker on earth was sharing copies to prevent people from getting XCP.

[u/dirkhardslab → u/Tig_Ol_Belding]

Helldivers 2 is a recent example

[u/Tig_Ol_Belding → u/dirkhardslab]

Damn that sucks. 2 reasons to not play in a span of a week.

[u/Praise_the_Ward]

Louder for the people in the back screaming at Valve to add kernel level anti-cheat to CS2.

1) it doesn't work as well as you think it does

2) why would you entrust any billion-dollar corporation with that level of access to your computer? Y'all justifiably shit down Microsoft's throat for pushing this always online crap in their OS, but completely throw all that aside because vibeogane.

[u/xdyldo → u/Praise_the_Ward]

It works extremely well. Valorant cheating is almost non existent. CS2 on the other hand, I quit MM because it was literally every second game.

[u/Spwntrooper → u/Praise_the_Ward]

I mean it honestly does work a lot better than whatever CS2 has. Rarely see cheaters in Valorant but within my first 3 CS2 games did.

[u/RealityCheckBard → u/Praise_the_Ward]

Maybe it works a lot more than we think it does.

Maybe just maybe, there are just a lot of people who cheat, maybe in other games, who get their shot bricked

I mean play LoL and you deserve to get your pc bricked in my eyes but that’s just my opinion

[u/LegalizeWaterboardin]

The U.S will soon ban riot for being a Chinese owned company with invasive anti cheats

[u/SuperDefiant → u/LegalizeWaterboardin]

We can hope but it’s highly unlikely. Riot is a 100% American company… that just happens to be largely owned by tencent, which makes things very complicated

[u/Curiouzity_Omega → u/[deleted]]

Its literally........free....what are you smoking?

[u/TheBigToast72 → u/[deleted]]

You pirate free games?

[u/Superjaber]

As soon as I saw the vanguard notification pop next to the update button I hit uninstall. Problem solved

[u/JTurtle11]

Hasn’t the Valorant community been using Vanguard for years? What’s happening differently here?

[u/trefluss → u/JTurtle11]

Nothing, people who faced issues either solved them or moved on

Same will happen to league. Vanguard did and still does cause issues to some people pcs but it's not wide enough problem for it to stop riot from Vanguard implementation