Are you guys excited about Windows 12?

[u/DannyDorito6923]

[u/MadSpacePig]

Windows 11 really isn't that bad guys, I quite like most of it's features over Windows 10. Most of the things I don't like about it it has in common with 10 so it's nothing new.

I remember from the very beginning when I heard Microsoft's statement that windows 10 would be the 'last windows' and never took it as literally as everyone else was. To me it was a very obvious that what they meant by it was that yes, they will continue to release new big iterations with different names, but there will never be a big reworking of everything 'under the hood', and licencing won't differentiate, now you just have a licence for Windows, not specifically 10 or 11.

[u/Major_Mawcum_II]

Just that first part ahahah

[u/Pixel_64]

I think by the time windows 12 rolls around I’m just gonna figure out how to use linux I’m not fucking dealing with an OS that has ‘ai’ as the main selling point

[u/andsimakov]

“macOS is just about new wallpapers” they said 🤮

[u/Jyitheris]

Fuck Microsoft and Fuck Windows 12. Fuck Windows 11 too while at it. And Fuck some stupid features in Windows 10 too, since we're on a roll.

I recently installed Ubuntu on a secondary PC I happened to get for free, and it just fucking works without all the hassle. Sure, the stock user interface on Ubuntu is kinda meh, resizing windows is annoying, text doesn't want to stay within the right brackets and you need to download additional applications to customize things further... but I'd still 100% take that if all games worked on Linux without a headache.

Like, really fucking fuck Microsoft's new fucking piece of shit "innovations" already.

[u/ColtC7]

no

[u/KingxDuty4]

Yessir im exited af

[u/leocampos172]

I still use Windows 10 i dont care about mac os 12, sorry Windows 12*

[u/GreenbergBill]

I strip out after install Edge, Defender, spyware, adware that is preinstalled with Windows 11. I use 3rd party software to replace those applications.

[u/DeadMetroidvania]

Great, clippy is coming back.

Tell me something, is SteamOS capable of doing non gamer things like office stuff and programming as well? Would like to use it instead of windows.

[u/Jojoceptionistaken]

me using chat gpt on win 11

[u/djackson404]

Sounds like even more bloated bullshit to me.

[u/Pimpinogenerifunk]

Why did we all just let them get away with telling us Win 10 will be the last one?

[u/comphys]

You know what, I'm just gonna say it. Literally all of you sound like old people complaining. Oh, how better are the old times, change is bad, blah blah blah. Why don't all of you keep your judgements until it actually comes out

[u/MamboFloof]

They meant "Windows 10 is the last usable os ever"

[u/Jerrywelfare]

If Microsoft's record is to be trusted, 12 will probably be good.

11- Bad, 10-Good, 8- Bad, 7-Good, Vista- Bad, XP- Good

[u/KingHauler]

I hope this AI shit dies soon. Crypto, nfts, and whatever the last internet fads were, have all died. Ai being crammed everywhere for no reason has got to stop.

[u/maximus623]

If I had a choice I'd still be using windows XP

[u/Niasny]

I still use Windows 10

WTF

[u/Tiranus58]

Meh, im on linux

[u/Zeraora807]

Ready to see Alder Lake systems be literally unusable on windaws 12 because it lacks some obscure featureset that MS decided last second is mandatory

[u/matiegaming]

At this point i just need better linux support

[u/the_burber]

Windows 11 is less convenient than Windows 10

[u/Traditional-Shoe-199]

"Windows 12 will be subscription based".

[u/ImUrFrand]

i refuse to run 11 on any of my machines.

if 12 is as bad im probably migrating to mint.

[u/Niceromancer]

Looks like I'm sticking with 10

[u/Benji_247]

Im excited about linux mint 22

[u/Better_Negotiation64]

Nothing like putting lipstick on a pig

[u/Kinzuko]

What a wonderful way to force people to use linux

[u/Dugout2029]

I’ve been turning down windows 11 for probably a year now yet they keep asking

[u/KaiZX]

Soooo.... what linux distro are you picking?

[u/Micro_Pinny_360 → u/KaiZX]

Endeavour OS. It’s like Arch without a noob-friendly install

[u/TekTravis]

I just want Microsoft to leave my fucking Windows 10 alone and stop adding shit to it that I don't want !

If Steam OS is worth a damn I literally will switch to Steam OS and leave windows completely if Microsoft doesn't get it shipped together !

[u/Athlon64X2_d00d]

Will be on Windows 10 until games won't let me. But I suppose looking at AAA games right now, I'll be on Windows 10 for quite awhile. I run it debloated with disabled updates. 

[u/IdioticSaysuma]

Still on Windows 10 due to not having a supported CPU, yet it could still work because I believe it's better than some of the supported CPUs (for context I have an i5 3570k or something, overclocked to 3.8ghz), everything else is also right

[u/Itu_Leona]

Bye Felicia. Hello Cinnamon Mint.

[u/GAMRKNIGHT352]

if windows 12 is shit I'm switching to linux. I'm not gonna have chatgpt lurking around in my OS reporting my every move and thought to microsoft

[u/BlackwaterGuru]

I don't really care either way tbh. I remember everyone hating windows xp until the service packs came out, it's the same every time a new windows OS gets released.

For me it's not that deep, I don't use the features I don't like, use the ones I do like, and wait for the updates.

I've also used kubuntu for years just so I have some Linux knowledge. It's always baffled me how many people are all about computers yet clueless about any other OS or aspect of computing that's not windows based.

[u/ShittyExchangeAdmin]

Switched to linux, no ragrets

[u/LordBrandon]

Windows 12 will feature non stop ai generated ads and political misinformation at full volume. In the pro version ($1200) you will be able to lower the volume to 80% and you will be able maximize one application for 20 minutes at a time.

[u/QuadVox]

Yeah not switching from 10. Just built a new pc and gladly installed 10 on it instead of 11.

Never switching to Linux. I've daily driven a Linux system before and more recently daily driven a steam deck. Both experiences with desktop were so much more annoying than windows ever is.

[u/MrGravityMan]

Not gonna lie, moved to Linux at the beginning of this year….. and so far it’s pretty good…… gaming just fine.

[u/UnknowBan]

To all the people in the comments "jumping to linux". I suppose you're not gamers, unless gaming on Linux is a thing ?

[u/Benji_247 → u/UnknowBan]

Gaming on linux is a thing and it’s really good.Most games run good and some run better than on windows. The biggest problems are that new games or updates for games may not work for a few days and games that block Linux with anticheats

[u/AldermanAl → u/UnknowBan]

Almost all non multi-player games work via proton on linux. A vast majority of multi-player games work, but notably games like call of duty do not work due to their anticheat implementations.

Protondb.com for more details

[u/Xarishark]

I use manjaro on my work laptop. My main pc is going to boot that too if ms keeps going like that. They already fucked half their os with trash.

[u/Apeeksiht]

I'm excited to jump into linux

[u/wyattlee1274]

No way they will stop supporting windows 10 in a year when 70% of windows users are on 10

[u/Strude187]

I’m still on the last OS ever.

[u/apathetic_vaporeon]

Moved to Linux completely after they added copilot to the desktop. The idea of AI is cool, but what we have now is a glorified chat bot gimmick looking for a purpose. They’re adding it to everything to see what will stick. MS added copilot to both the desktop and Edge, why do we need 2 copilot buttons open if we are using it how they intended? It just shows that the idea is half baked.

[u/gruxlike]

Ofc. AI is the future, however as a first release it's probably gonna have some problems. Excited for improvements

[u/ResidentCrayonEater]

Nah, Microsoft can bugger off. I already hate Windows 10, refuse to go to 11 and my next OS sure as hell won't be Windows if I can possibly avoid it.

[u/EirikHavre]

As someone who still uses 10 and has heard no reason to “upgrade” it seems like they’re finally out of the “good OS followed by bad OS followed by good OS” pattern. Only unnecessary ones from now on.

[u/drklunk]

It's Windows, who gives a shit?

[u/mka_]

I'm not excited, but I'll probably get it if it's stable and bug free on release (unlike 11 was).

I don't get all the hate, tracking and CoPilot can be disabled in 11, and If you really don't like it, instead of complaining, switch to Linux, and just have Windows on a seperate partition for gaming if need be.

Saying all that, PowerToys has been a god send. Especially for my web dev setup.

[u/burros_killer]

it was always a rule that every other Windows is good (functional). they first break in with XP to 7 move - both were fine. Now they seems to be breaking it again with 11 to 12 - both I'm going to skip

[u/WeirdRich976]

If it wasnt for the games, i would already be on Linux

[u/AldermanAl → u/WeirdRich976]

Call of Duty the only game stopping me from being on Linux full time.

[u/Stilgar314]

Can't wait until we see the W12 requirements, probably some sort of specialized AI hardware that's impossible to fit in any PC of today.

[u/gadimus]

If it sucks then maybe steam os is the way to go. It supports most games and Minecraft bedrock (idk about mods but probably). Then Google docs and YouTube - that's all you need...

[u/ThatRandomHelper]

No. I exited Windows.

[u/DiabloStorm]

ai

Ad-riddled Interfaces

[u/Old_Money_33]

I am seriously considering going from Win11 to Win10, the only thing holding me back is the new File Explorer, I do like it more than the old File Explorer.

[u/rtz13th]

AI, meaning Advertisement Interface?

[u/BonezOz]

Windows 11 will be my last Microsoft OS. Before support ends, I will need to find a well supported distro of Linux.

[u/Perun_Thrallstrider → u/BonezOz]

I felt like that about windows 10. Already switched on my main laptop and after some initial teething pains and learning (mostly from switching to Joplin and Libreoffice from the 365 suite, unfortunately the Gimp or Krita alternatives to Affinity Photo Simply don't measure up) It's actually really great. Haven't had issues setting it up to play my games as well. If I need to access RDS for work or the Affinity suite I just use a virtual machine with W10 on it. I'm on Linux Mint.

[u/BonezOz → u/Perun_Thrallstrider]

See gaming is my biggest worry, followed closely by being able to RDP into my PC from work. But I know that there's enough support now for Linux the worries aren't as great as they were 5 or 10 years ago when I first thought of switching. Even my primary browser of choice, Opera, is available.

I'm currently tossing up a few Debian variants, either the original Debian, a variation of Ubuntu (but not Ubuntu), or Kali (the tools it comes with would be good for my line of work).

The only thing holding me back is myself, choosing which distro, and allocating the time to back everything up in preparation

[u/Dizzy_Set_6031]

Why are companies shoving AI down our throats?

[u/Latchford]

About having some half-baked, Tech Corp owned, AI running rampant around my OS.. no thanks!

[u/Flinty984]

they should rename it to Windows 25 and release like Fifa, look how great it turned out for them!

[u/K1rk0npolttaja]

i dont care what the fuck microsoft says i am not switching from 10 until they release something that isnt cluttered with fucking ads and is stable

[u/jonaskid]

I remember being excited to try the new windows. It was a long time ago.

[u/IsaKissTheRain]

Fuck A.I.

[u/Skelassassin]

if the windows shit<=>good cycle continues it’ll be good

[u/LewAshby309]

Win 11 is Win 10.

It was simply a bigger update with a new skin.

[u/CheekyThief]

Windows 11 is fucking balls why havent they just fixed it instead of working on windows 12

[u/Objective-Gur5376]

Oh gee I wonder what else they'll take away from my right click menu.

[u/michelas2]

"...for everyone that pays for it"

[u/NextFaithlessness7]

Late Win 7 was peak

[u/Open-Kale-7598]

Well whats windows 12 bringing to the table, heck I barely even know what windows 11 is, just care about the ui only tho.. personal opinion 🤷

[u/navagon]

It was always dumb to look at 10 like it could be the last and all they'd do is update it. There was always going to be some breakthrough tech that made 10's continuation illogical. That said, nothing justified 11 at all.

[u/strontiummuffin]

Every day I get closer to moving to Linux. I will never get a straight up answer of what the best distribution for gaming and general use is.

[u/AldermanAl → u/strontiummuffin]

Once valve releases steam os 3.5 for desktop it will be a no-brainer. There are some forks of steamos 3.5 like chimera that only work with radeon gpus.

[u/jiroro22]

i would only change os if they made windows 10 incredibly shtty

[u/JoostVisser]

Join the enlightenment. Use Everything

[u/typtyphus]

Cortana 2.0: "let me run this update before you start your PowerPoint presentation"

[u/Saf751]

maybe I'd they focus on proper ui look and stable features

[u/n77_dot_nl]

They have been doing that for years, they release 1 good os, then euphoria release 1  (wtf is this) edition Windows  

98se - good 

Me - wtf is this 

XP - good 

Vista - wtf is this 

7 - good 

8 - wtf is this 

10 - good 

11 - wtf is this

[u/PenaltyBeneficial]

Ever since windows 11, i moved to Linux.

Its not a perfect OS, but ill never move back because i feel I OWN the goddam PC you can do whatever you want on it. Linux just needs popularity so games and software is supported, and even the, there's proton.

[u/SirSquidrift]

I'm not gonna lie, windows COPILOT walked me through step by step how to install a multiplayer mod for SPT-AKI, so big W for COPILOT supporting the downfall of BSG.

[u/MaliGaming30]

On the last one put this: "Windows 12 is actually a 2024 update of windows11" I'm not lying search it.

[u/SussyBob420]

Imagine you upgrade to Windows 12 and fucking Bonzi Buddy just appears.

[u/Ussurin]

I've migrated to Linux Arch Manjaro with the release of Win11.

It's clear that Microsoft no longer makes system for power users and wants to exchange them for Apple-like hoarde.

I'm wishing them the best of luck with that, but Imma go with something that actually lets me own and setup my own PC.

[u/SneakyLamb]

Unpopular opinion: Windows 11 feels and looks better than windows 10 once you change the taskbar theme to how windows looked before

[u/kondzioo0903]

Couldn't care less, but if it came as a free update that worked on my pirated 10 that i recently updated to 11 then i would take it lmao, maybe the ai wouldn't have limited daily uses

[u/JadedBrit]

Still on 10, happy as I am.

[u/kakaluski]

Can Linux please hurry up and become an actual replacement?

[u/Ussurin → u/kakaluski]

If you only play games on Steam and use only browser otherwise, then it basically already is.

The problem with Linux currently is lack of support outside of Valve's Proton for applications, like graphical and video editors.

For gamers it's pretty much there. Not every game, you won't play DRM'ed to the 7 hes games like Battlefield, CoD or anything from Blizzard, but why would you want to anyway? Other than that it works pretty much out of the box (less setup than on Windows in Windows Live era) and the performance is game dependent, some games run even better on Linux. Tho you still kinda need to check ProtonDB to be sure.

As Linux is free (and possible to run from USB stick tho I'd advise against long term usage of this function) I say just boot up some popular distri and try it out for a month or two. Maybe you'd like it enough. Personally I'm on the Manjaro KDE.

Main issue why I cannot advise normies use Linux is actually not performance, but stupid design decisions that force users to use terminal for a lot if they dare to step outside the browser+Steam ecosystem. I just cannot comprehand why the Linux devs insist on forcing the terminal on users. It's literally security by obscurity and just makes a lot of stuff unneccessary hard and obfuscated for avarage user.

[u/kakaluski → u/Ussurin]

I need Battle net for World of Warcraft and Steam mostly. My biggest concern is the HDR on Plasma 6.

I highly doubt it can utilize my display the way windows does right now with auto HDR and the calibration app for HDR.

[u/Ussurin → u/kakaluski]

If you need Blizzard anything then yeah, you are stuck with Windows.

[u/RynoGunner]

Just like 7, I'm sticking to 10 till they pull the plug.

[u/Illustrious_Bunch_67]

If it'll be like window 11 or worst, I think that I'll move to Linux after the end of support for windows 10

[u/Tuhajohn]

As long as I don't have to pay for the new one I don't care.

[u/XTRSleep]

It really depresses me that Microsoft is cutting cords with 10, only to market 11 and eventually 12, just to force you to another OS or either pay for future supports of a former OS..

[u/D_Fieldz]

Windows 10 was the last release. I keep getting malware popups imploring me to install 11, you won't get me though, Mr. Hacker!!!

[u/LawAbidingDenizen]

Gonna train their AI using your computer and resources then sell a advanced version of copilot back to you for a monthly fee 😂

[u/Ok_Kale_7762]

Yeah. I genuinely love all AI on my computer.

[u/Dasky14 → u/Ok_Kale_7762]

The new update putting bing chat into the taskbar is genuinely really useful. Love it.

[u/Ok_Kale_7762 → u/Dasky14]

Love bing. Google is useless compared to bing. Surprised everyone hasn’t switched to it simply because it was mid before the AI integration.

[u/Dasky14 → u/Ok_Kale_7762]

Well, bing search still gives absolutely wacky results, so I do keep using google for web searches.

It probably heavily varies by country.

[u/AffectionateMud3]

I am a couch gamer so Windows is merely a shell to launch Steam for me. I would just turn all those features off.

[u/AldermanAl → u/AffectionateMud3]

It's so baked in now I'm not sure you can turn it 100 percent off. I mean looks off but how do we know for sure?

[u/Shajirr]

I see the idiots keep using "Windows 10 is the last OS" misinformation even today...

[u/Delicious_Score_551]

AI on Windows. Hah.

I guess we're getting A100s for Windows desktops.

The windows requirements to run local inference?

2 A100s, 7995wx, 1TB Ram, windows 12, substation connected to your house.

Linux requirements, a consumer card, maybe a Potato with 16gb ram.

[u/d4noob]

If games could run smooth in linux no one had windows

[u/Benji_247 → u/d4noob]

Games do mostly run smooth on linux. The only problem is kernel level malware

[u/[deleted]]

Average pcmr user will love licrosoft and all of its shitty products and will not try to think for a bit.

[u/itsheadfelloff]

I’m primarily a Mac user but had to start using a windows 11 machine at work in addition to a Mac, other than the general intrusive junk I don’t really mind it.

[u/Icy_M0fo]

Windows 11 sucks don't ever upgrade, stay at windows 10

[u/RedFireSuzaku]

Since I've heard of the W12 AI support, I keep wondering about one thing : how long will Windows stay pertinent ?

Sure, for now, Microsoft is thinking "Oh yeah baby, we need to feed our AI with everything the user does and steal personal data as much as we can", but if it's in the purpose to create some AI assistant that will perfectly be doing what you do sitting behind a computer, and you're not the only one to do it (Google, Apple, etc)… Well, people will just talk to their AIs on phones, play games on consoles and never invest in a computer again because why should they ? We've seen that unprecedented decline in laptop sales when tablets came over, and most light-use people are just happy with a phone that can mail and do some messaging/social networking. And Microsoft doesn't have shit in the phone market, who still owns a Windows phone ? Or even a Zune (yeah, it's been that long) ? They could easily be banned out from Apple/Android phones and left in the corner to rust, I don't get what their plan is in the long game. Maybe they're hoping we buy powerful PC hardware every 3-4 years because they can't downscale their own bloated OS ? But how long can they keep the charade, tho ?

[u/yoger6]

I don't have much hope for an improved search. But I'd really appreciate it if it could uninstall applications when you click uninstall in the menu, instead of opening the application list where you have to again find the app and click uninstall once again to complete the task.

Since we're already here. Is there a way in W11 to restore the context menu so it's state before W11?

[u/Rhaenyss]

If they revert some of the changes to the Win10 functionality, then sure. Win11 was personally a skip for me.

[u/zer0bitzz]

No. I switched fully to Linux a month ago and never going back to Winslow.

[u/Zandonus]

Look, if you lie like that... as a person, you don't trust them 100% ever again. I could to back to 90% trust, if they unreleased win11. And let me keep w10 forever. F O R E V E R.

[u/[deleted]]

Maybe old hardware can also upgrade straight to 12.if not its gonna fail like 11.

[u/MrkikouLIF]

I not excited since win 8 😂

[u/acidrain5047]

12!?! I’m still on 10 for Christ sake. Realistically I need to update my tower so whatever.

[u/Worried-Apartment889]

Windows 12 can’t create a local account…

[u/Soravinier]

I will be exited when they make a window that doesn't look shitty and doesn't have a lot of unnecessary bullshit

[u/SkyCaptain_1]

It's true. I'm not changing Windows 10.

[u/notmyaccountbruh]

I'm getting more excited about Linux these days. Steam OS could have potential.

[u/uwo-wow]

i am already commited to going to Linux

[u/RecentPresentation40]

What is the problem? It's free update anyway, They can call it Satan windows 666 and I wouldn't care....

[u/Donleon57]

Do we really want having ai on the system data like tax, passwords and other sensitive data is stored on ?

[u/CallMeAnimu]

My Arch Linux install seeming better every day. Dual-boot master race for the time being.

[u/Holy_goosebag]

I've heard from some people that windows 11 gave me ads. It is yet to do so, and if it does I'm swithcing to linux cause what the fuck is this.

[u/Wemmser47]

Still using 10, so no?

[u/Vast_Ad6372]

i miss windows 10…

[u/endurolad]

More excited about getting off 11.

[u/Rhysing]

I'm convinced people are all in on some elaborate scheme where they've all collectively agreed to pretend to hate every new version of Windows despite each new version being nothing but improvements and the new best OS we've ever seen.

[u/Marvellover13]

According to the trend every other edition of windows sticks so let's hope 12 will be good

[u/Mikizeta]

Windows 12: even more ways to make the product worse and get your data in even shadier ways 😂

[u/mrbrokoli97]

Microsoft never officially said Win10 will be the last one. It was one Dev but nothing officially. Why donpeople still believe on this myth.

[u/kudos4datboi]

I hope linux somehow gets native support for gaming

[u/drunkexcuse → u/kudos4datboi]

"I hope linux somehow gets native support for gaming" - Someone who has clearly never actually tried Linux and has no idea what the fuck they are talking about.

[u/kudos4datboi → u/drunkexcuse]

I know what I'm talking about. These are just simple terms. I've worked on Linux for many years. Please don't act as a Linux guru just because you followed a youtube tutorial on how to copy and paste 30 terminal commands to install arch.

[u/hellaciousbluephlegm]

lol no

[u/Heyhey0000101]

At this Point i will Switch to Linux... I really dont want ai Data collectors on my OS.

[u/MadsenBErSej]

Welp

[u/Falkenmond79]

What the fuck does that even mean? Every OS „supports“ AI, if you have an app for it. I think they meant „will implement on a system level“. Man I hate marketing speech.

[u/extreme_offense_bot]

I have a pretty vast array of tools and methods for chemical and literal castration of Windows 10 so it doesnt do things i dont like. They will spend an absolute fortune on stupid shit features that i will turn off instantly after installing. Idiots.

[u/megafat1]

By "Last OS ever" they meant that the last one you would actually want to use.

[u/Sacharon123]

As long as I can disable the AI features I am fine with it. I am more worried about Apple promising to integrate more AI into the mobile OS branch, because there its normally much harder to disable that shit and its normally coupled with forced online access..

[u/drunkexcuse → u/Sacharon123]

The best mitigation for Apple's bullshit is to never give those slimy cunts a single penny. Don't buy their products and you'll never be one of the people they fuck over every day.

[u/SuperGuy41]

Windows 11 is fucking horrible it’s so dumbed down. Dumb UI seems to be the theme now as Office is completely wank now too. Outlook is made for 5 year olds and basically just a web version with a wrapper. Hope you don’t like all those ‘advanced’ features you know like a decent toolbar in explore because Windows 11 - he hates them.

[u/zabunkovz → u/SuperGuy41]

Dumb UI seems to be the theme now as Office is completely wank now too. Outlook is made for 5 year olds and basically just a web version with a wrapper.

Exactly what they want, push everything to internet, you own nothing, they can revoke your access when ever they feel like, for what ever they want OH right and you wont "own" it but just "rent" it...

[u/Mast3r_waf1z]

Windows 10 sucking ass was the reason I switched to linux, seeing how bad 11 and 12 is gonna be just makes me appreciate more when I made the jump

[u/notlonely1]

Yes, forcing me to use windows 11 on my 4gb pentium laptop which will start smoking and then upgrading to win 12 will blast the whole house

[u/GeforcerFX]

Windows 10 launched with an AI assistant, so we have been dealing with this for awhile.

[u/VariousComment6946]

Thanks I’ll stay with 10 or move to Linux

[u/smellybumbumhead]

"Gonna support AI" is just a marketing term. AI has been "supported" by companies for decades, it's just now that it's being used as a buzzword.

[u/Laziness100]

I've not been excited about upcoming Windows releases since 2011.

[u/Motorpsycho6479]

Wait.... 11 don't have AI (copilot) already?

[u/Benji_247 → u/Motorpsycho6479]

I think that’s just wsl

[u/Blacksad9999]

I really don't care what "version" of Windows I'm using as long as it does what I need it to do.

[u/miracle-worker-1989]

I can already do AI on Kubuntu.

Ollama FTW!

[u/Juanisweird]

Windows doesn’t do well with even numbers…

[u/DOE_ZELF_NORMAAL]

I use copilot integrated in our new office 365 at work and it's honestly amazing. I can't wait till AI is fully integrated into software I use every day.

[u/Negativcreep81]

If ai was really all that great, wouldn't it be used to support Windows 12 rather than the other way around?

[u/BetterAdvancedHumor]

I am gonna become president and put microsoft into the ground just give me 25 years

[u/Kein_Plan16]

Wait there is a Windows 12 announced? Meanwhile i have to remind myself that Windows 11 exists and Win10 isn't the newest anymore

[u/IntergalacticAlien8]

I won't lose sleep on it

[u/creamcolouredDog]

Windows 12 will be subscription-based

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[u/yawn_brendan]

Serious question: I'm a full time Linux user until I got into PC gaming last year. I installed Windows without really questioning the need ("Linux gaming is almost certainly a massive pain in the arse, I can't be bothered dealing with Nvidia driver shit. I'll just use the default consumer OS, they must make it easy").

Well, turns out setting up and maintaining a Windows installation is way more painful than Linux. Nvidia drivers are actually more annoying in Windows than Linux. And every time I select Windows in the boot menu my brain is like "nooo don't do this to us". Every time I click on whatever the start menu is called now I'm assaulted with infuriating bullshit. All the actual desktop functionality feels like it was outsourced and scraped together on a tight deadline.

Meanwhile... At least according to protondb.com all of the games I ever play are reported to work fine on Linux.

So... What's the story? Is the year of the Linux gamer really here? Or are there extra layers of hidden pain?

I guess next time I buy a new game on Steam I'll try installing it in Linux first and see how that goes...

[u/LOPI-14 → u/yawn_brendan]

Or are there extra layers of hidden pain?

Most competitive multi-player games with ring-0 anti cheat will not work on Linux, which I personally consider a really good thing, but if you wanna play those, Windows is the only way sadly.

[u/yawn_brendan → u/LOPI-14]

Oh yeah that's a good point. Luckily I fucking suck at games and don't play anything competitive 😂

[u/drunkexcuse → u/yawn_brendan]

You're lucky you don't wanna play games with ring-0 anticheat. Nobody should. They're actual viruses.

[u/yawn_brendan → u/drunkexcuse]

Nerdy note: I think it would actually possible to build anticheat that isn't a rootkit using SGX/SEV. It's possible to remotely verify a cryptographic proof that you are running a given piece of code, unmodified, on a verified Intel/AMD CPU (and IIUC there are extensions to do this attestation for GPUs too).

It's weird and surprising that (I think) this is possible. But I think the software effort to make this happen would just be way too significant.

Unfortunately (well, it was a good decision, but unfortunately for this one specific theoretical reason) I think both Intel and AMD have removed these features from their consumer chips.

[u/SimilarTop352 → u/[deleted]]

... TL;DR?

[u/Resident-Variation21]

I’m so excited about windows 12 that I recently installed Linux

[u/batmanallthetime]

Microsoft is basically sucking blood out of end users who have grown dependent on their OS since childhood. Basically, they are taking the highest advantage possible of the effective monopoly in the end user computing.

It never was this intolerable in Windows 7 era, which was free of ads and forced updates. Windows 10 bought forced updates which took over control from end users, however thankfully it didn't have ads until 2021 when Windows 11 debuted.

After that, it is all shit show. Both Windows 11 & 10 have so many ads now. Windows 11 requires sign-in to even setup new OS install. Important options hidden behind more clicks, even Start menu needs 2 clicks to get All apps list compared to Windows 10 where it was instantly there with 1 click. All these are anti-user and anti-productive. Honestly, AI has long, very long way to go like 10 years out before it is significantly useful.

Hence Windows 11 is so much bloat, more pushy of useless AI & pop-ups, more difficult to use due to hidden options, and super anti-user compared to Windows 10 of 2021.

For folks needing OS that plain works, Linux does so many good distributions. People feel stupid once they realize for how long they suffered under Microsoft's shenanigans it legit brings tears once people start using Linux for only a week.

I've been personally dual-booting Windows 10 with Ubuntu 22.04 for more than 3 years now. Oh and yes, Ubuntu has slowly become my primary OS now that I rarely need to open Windows since Ubuntu boots quickly.

[u/WhataburgerSr → u/batmanallthetime]

Fun fact: when setting up a new Windows 11 install, put in an obviously fake email address like 'a@a.com' and fake password. It won't recognize the account and set it up as a local account.

[u/Bison256 → u/batmanallthetime]

No, windows 10 did have a few ads. When you first install there's ads for Minecraft, Netflix and few other things on the start menu. Not much but still.

[u/LOPI-14 → u/batmanallthetime]

Dual Booting Arch myself. Transitioned around 2-3 months ago. It's been great.

[u/Yakjzak]

At this rate, I don't think I will ever get something else than the good old Windows 7

[u/SovietDoge_AKM]

Cortana 2? Lol.

[u/MystxTheMadMan]

Ubuntu is really good these days fyi

[u/itzMadaGaming]

we need something more simple like windows 7, but with modern compatibility, just something without bloats that no one uses and trackings

[u/Huijiro]

I'm so glad i finally switched to Linux...

[u/Yugikisp]

I watch more Linux YouTube videos daily