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u/Bengis_Khan 26d ago
I have kids and work from home a couple of days a week. I too get frustrated with people who work from home and are also trying to take care of their kids simultaneously. Most people can't pay attention to two things or concentrate on two things - especially if one is crying on your lap and the other is a technical engineering report.
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u/Aggressive-Union-628 26d ago
Peter, your post epitomizes a myopic and antiquated mindset. Remote work has revolutionized the traditional workspace, enabling professionals to harmonize personal and professional duties effectively. Criticizing young professionals for adapting to this modern paradigm reflects an inability to evolve with the times. Perhaps it's time to reflect on why you're clinging to rigid, outdated norms that no longer serve today's dynamic work environment. I'm pretty sure your coworkers are fed up with your inflexible and out-of-touch attitude.
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u/Thrashing_Tigress88 26d ago
As someone who works a hybrid position and has a 3 year old, I can tell you that you absolutely have to have child care while you work from home. Unless your job is completely asynchronous and can be worked while the kids are sleeping at night. But that’s also exhausting and leaves you no time for yourself. He’s not exactly wrong. I didn’t see the person he’s quoting post but I’m guessing he means he takes a few minutes here and there to help out but isn’t the one doing the caregiving full time.
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u/Daflehrer1 28d ago
At least one divorce, neglects his kids, workaholic, worships self and money, has a 1980's view of professional norms, registered at various sugar daddy dating websites.
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u/STGItsMe 28d ago
If the employee is getting their work done, it doesn’t matter what else they’re doing.
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u/Jealous_Location_267 28d ago
America, where you’re expected to have kids like you don’t have to work but work like you don’t have kids, then yell at people like me who don’t want kids about how we’re selfish and spoiled.
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u/davidjschloss 28d ago
If you want someone to be able to work from home and not spend time taking care of their kids, you can solve that. Pay them enough to hire childcare.
Know why she's changing diapers and reading books? Because we have the worst parental leave in the industrialized world, and because companies like this pay too little to have child care.
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u/Present-Government67 28d ago
Most of these jobs are project based and there is down time. Peter is mistaken.
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u/Cute_Hat_5994 28d ago
Good thing i WFH and my directors/managers have children and are home with them all day and are MEN. they don’t give a fuck unless the work is done 🤷♀️ people like this try so hard to justify micromanaging and treating people like shit.
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u/Atom_____ 28d ago
I have a toddler. There is absolutely no way I could work from home where he is there. Anybody who thinks it’s possible has never had a child
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u/nomadicdawg 28d ago
As a new father during COVID & initial lockdowns, the days where my girlfriend had to leave & I had to be on the clock + watch baby were really tough. On one side it was hard it was to be productive but the real thing that was tough to manage was feeling like a bad parent , not giving my child 100% of myself. Anyone who argues you can do both @ the same time is just selfish.
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u/AffectionateFig5435 28d ago
Top performers want to be paid for their ability to get the job done. Marginal and poor performers want to be paid for being there.
This is a thinly veiled post on why employees suck. Guessing he's driven away every top performer in his organization.
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u/Zack_Tuna22 28d ago
Bro got dumpstered in the comments thank god, he kept arguing and can't just take an L, such a jackass. These silicon valley type sales guys have 1 or 2 "successes" in their life and it goes STRAIGHT to their cranium, they start thinking they're a sales genius and everyone should listen to them (posted on LinkedIn).
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u/ArcticPeasant 28d ago
I have a toddler and wfh. And if someone tells you they can do both equally successfully, I’m sorry they are lying lol. Either you significantly let your job slide, or you plop your kid in front of the tv the entire day. People who successfully claim both can be successfully done at the same time are who give wfh a bad rep.
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u/stoolpuppy_hachacha 28d ago
Yes, it's much better to have everyone in the office where they can wander around popping into people's offices and cubicles to talk about their personal lives, go for coffee 6x per day, plan their weddings and vacations, then leave early because they don't want to get stuck in traffic. Wouldn't want them at home where they aren't bothering the other staff trying to actually work. Most of the people so desperate for people to be back on-site simply can't stand the thought of not having a captive audience.
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u/vishtratwork 29d ago
My experiance has definitely been I can't work at home and have a kid at home. I'm not sure if you meant it to be sarcastic, but a 0-5 year old takes >70% of your attention.
When covid happened my performance dropped materially. I have no idea how someone who is fully utilized could do it.
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u/hamdans1 29d ago
To be fair, he’s only an early stage GTM expert. Typically we call those novices but I guess he’s special
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u/LoadofBarney 29d ago
In my experience , anyone who refers to themselves as ‘experts’, or normally total assholes, he fits the mold.
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u/peweje 29d ago
This guy has been posting progressively more anti-work from home shit on his LinkedIn for a while now. It was only a matter of time before he popped up here.
He's the CEO of a data visualization tool called Atrium. Atrium is used for sales teams and I believe his tool isn't as effective if people aren't in office.
I think this is just someone who is anti-work for whatever reason and biased because his livelihood indirectly depends on it
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u/y2k_rae 29d ago
I only get sporadic WFH days to stay with my child and I can tell you they are longer days than when I go to the office, because I am parenting in the meantime. Work during naps, a bit while they are independently playing, then when they go to sleep. Start at 7 am work until 9/10 … all that to say, I think WFH parents are working harder at home than if they were in office, but managers like this for some reason think they’re slacking off??
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u/Pure-Huckleberry-484 29d ago
What is described in that comment is what should be the norm and even more so as more and more process improvements get fulfilled by Ai.
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u/rollobrinalle 29d ago
You know what the title entrepreneur means on LinkedIn. It means, I don’t get along with others so I have to make up a job where I can control everything.
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u/jryan727 29d ago
I think people severely overestimate how much work people do when they’re in the office. They think that because they’re sitting at their desk, they’re doing work? Lmao. Personal experience, anecdotes, oh and study after study show that people are productive and working for a fraction of the day.
Just accept it. Your employees are being compensated for their output, and if that happens in the 3 productive hours they have per day, who cares?
Now that they’re at home, they’re just able to utilize that free time in much better ways which makes them happier and their lives easier. Instead of playing solitaire or celebrating the 10th birthday this week or having mundane conversations with coworkers or simply staring at their cubicle wall questioning their life choices, they can change a diaper. They’re humans. Doing human things.
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u/Hot-Luck-3228 29d ago
If my life doesn’t turn into chaos, I can sell things better. I would be willing to work longer hours. I would go the extra mile.
How hard is this to get?
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u/didnebeu 29d ago
I mean this LinkedIn post is stupid but I have a one year old myself and it’s impossible to get any work done at home while watching him.
Also, I have coworkers with small kids that claim to be working from home, and their performance has absolutely suffered. It’s really fucking annoying when you are part of a project team and you have to wait 3 times the normal amount of time for someone to get something done because they are “working from home” when what they are really doing is trying to save money on daycare.
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u/kds1988 29d ago
Right, because in an office you use 100% of your time to work. There’s always massive amounts of time spent not working actively. You go to the bathroom, talk to coworkers, browse stupid websites, go to lunch… when you are WFH you can actually dedicate that time to doing things you need to do.
Why do they are so much about controlling your time if you’re still able to deliver the results they want?
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u/EngineeringSuccessYT 29d ago
Meh I don’t think it’s appropriate to WFH and be the sole childcare provider, either. One-off’s, fine. The baseline plan? No.
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u/lolokwownoob 29d ago
So he’s making sales while taking care of his kids..
He’s making sales
He’s doing his job
And taking care of his kids
I hate people
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u/Pretty_Goblin11 29d ago
Actually it’s not, we aren’t meant to work for 8hours a day in “sales”. WFH should allow for more balance. I hate our world we should be naked eating mangoes not knowing what a cubicle is but no… capitalism.
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u/pengusderpy1 29d ago
My entire team is remote and we have one of the highest earning contracts. Our performance rate improved after covid. No more 2 hour commutes one way, no more drive by taskers meaning we can focus on our actual jobs. We no longer rent an office space saving money. As a business owner/potential client, not operating a remote workforce/allowing remote work, is blatantly retarded.
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u/CTdadof5 29d ago edited 28d ago
I agree, but I would reckon that your staff is not providing care for an infant or toddler. I work 50% from home and it’s great to go downstairs to have lunch with my wife and to drive my kids to school in the morning or to chat with them for 5 minutes when they get home, but I am not their caregiver.
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u/pengusderpy1 27d ago
My previous team lead had children both 1 and newborn until he moved to another contract, and one of my guys is actually out right now on his 12 weeks of paternity leave, with a newborn. His second time out on paternity leave since he started working for me in 2019.
Just adding the context that some of them do have newborns/toddlers. One of the other team leads has very young children, a woman had 3 younger children. A different team lead is older but periodically drives his girlfriends kids to school while on team calls. Lol never a complaint from our client either
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u/Own-Butterscotch1713 29d ago
You can WFH and do other things, too... It's called 'multi-tasking', which apparently is a skill coveted by many employers.
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u/Saul_Go0dmann 29d ago
But does he sell and meet his quotas?
I'm so sick of "modern leaders" being so out of touch with the imbalance between wages, hyper productivity, and controlling every aspect of their employee's life.
If you employees cannot afford the cost of living from their full time job, you're a failed company. Owner or shareholders making profit but taxes subsidized their employees pay, failed company.
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u/Muted-Court1450 29d ago
I saw the original post, the sdr is apparently successful at setting up meetings. And if that’s the case, who cares about the fact that he plays with his kids during working hours
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u/yungdemocracy 29d ago
Brother put (Super Cute) twice to reduce the amount of hate from his dumbass post
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u/AdorableBlood9148 29d ago
Someone is bitter that they accidently slammed their mate's car door on their spuds when drunk.
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A bit one track minded... He must be the type who is single and wage-simps for the majority of his time and expects others to follow his standard of work/life balance.
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u/Jimmyjames150014 29d ago
Work from home is work. You should have childcare if you need it. This will get downvoted for sure, but stuff like is a great way to get wfh cancelled as an overall thing. People in the office don’t spend a bunch of their day changing diapers. Last thing the wfh community should want is a bunch of employers suddenly going ‘wait- I’m paying you to for that?’
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u/Dumdumgum45 29d ago
No they take shots of whiskey between calls, play with the amenities the office provides, leave work early to run errands or go out to some sort of happy hour.
I worked in an office and it was hardly ever productive. I hated people stopping by my desk to interrupt my flow. They're spending time on things not work related REGARDLESS.
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u/karmaismydawgz 29d ago
You can’t. sorry if it triggers you.
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u/ProtoReaper23113 29d ago
Right cuz they are the ones who are triggered go bitch and cry somewhere else
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u/lagmaster56 29d ago edited 29d ago
He claims LinkedIn is convincing people to WFH by having posts about it with positive comments. Ironic his is just an attempt to do the opposite.
All of these come from out of touch people with made up titles. It makes me wonder if they're influenced by companies and reality firms that have a vested interest in getting people back into their currently vacant workspaces before leases started expiring.
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u/MoarStu 29d ago
There’s only one thing that matters at my company and its results. If you can produce, you’ll have a job for life, if not you’ll get managed out. Signed WFH for 4 years and multiple promotions. Bonus I manage 3 ppl, 1 in Charlotte, 1 in MN and 1 in FL. My company is based in Atlanta and I don’t even live in Atlanta. It’s not about WFH v working in the office, it’s about the employee or manager. Do they produce or don’t they?
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u/WeatherSorry 29d ago
That kid will be one of few paying his pension, these people need a swift kick to the nuts so they never have kids
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u/Barnacle40 29d ago
If the work is getting done then who cares how they spend their day. I now work when it is convenient for me and am more productive because of it.
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u/SenpaiSwanky 29d ago
These types of people die cold and alone, sleeping on a bed of divorce papers and receipts for child support payments
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u/StormEyeDragon 29d ago
Guy is saying the quiet part out loud about how management really feels about working parents lmao
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u/Cardboard_dad 29d ago
I work at an elementary school as a school counselor. Our staff report time is 815 but students aren’t there until 9. That time is planning time. My principal asked me what I thought about people who got there between 830 and 9.
I said I don’t really care what time they get there. It affects me 0% and as long as they are getting the job done, why is it a problem. If that’s what they need to get their mind right, or not stress about getting their family off for the day, then I consider that time well spent.
Happy employees are the most productive.
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u/iMaReDdiTaDmInDurrr 29d ago
Im in wfh sales i probably spend 1-3 hours a day playing video games if i dont have back to backs.
Most professions that are 40 hours a week don't require 40 hours of work. I haven't put in a real day's work since i left the service industry.
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u/BaBa_Con_Dios 29d ago
As long as the work gets done does it matter? It’s all about control with those managers who get even the slightest sniff of power over another person.
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u/Repulsive_Squirrel 29d ago
Damn maybe if we could afford quality child care you (whoever this linked in ass hat is) wouldn’t have this problem. Must be so hard on him to have employees that have lives outside of work.
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u/purplenapalm 29d ago
I don't have kids so I wouldn't be at home changing diapers, but I work in an office and I can tell you I am not working every minute I'm at work and I still hit quota.
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u/GloomyFondant526 29d ago
Everybody, Peter has spoken! He knows all workplaces, every situation and understands all peoples and families the world over. If you don't give yourself over completely to working in the way we all did before COVID, you deserve to be fired instantly, because it's not up to corporations and businesses to change in any way to allow for different modes of work and living. Workers are the ones who must change or go homeless. There is no alternative because - CAPITALISM. Thank you. Kerching!
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u/CauliflowerOrnery460 29d ago
Hey hey! It’s the guy my old boss looked up too.
Funny enough my boss would shut on me for HAVING SEIZURES and needing to work from home for a few days recovering which was approved prior to my hiring.
But god forbid he miss his daily fucks in his OFFICE with his mistress….
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u/amurica1138 29d ago
And then again, these same exact IDIOTS will ask 'why aren't young people interested in starting families?'
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u/amurica1138 29d ago
And then again, these same exact IDIOTS will ask 'why aren't young people interested in starting families?'
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u/Cronhour 29d ago
We've created a society that rewards sociopaths, that's why people feel comfortable saying sociopathic things.
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You think an employer who thinks they’re getting 7 or 8 hours a day from their employee only to find out they’re spending 4 or 5 doing personal stuff doesn’t have a legitimate gripe?
"Oh, so now having kids is a crime???"
No, Karen...the guy was responding to a post where some dad is describing his "work" day which consists of him (while on the clock) spending 90% of his time taking care of his child rather than what he's actually being paid to do. You can wfh and you can have a kid, but if you want to wfh you better make sure you're being honest about it instead of claiming you're being super efficient and focused despite doing 1/4 of the work you're being paid to do. If you can figure out how to do 100% of the work in 25% of the time from home? Cool, nobody is going to bug you...carry on. But if your sales are stagnant, if your customers are complaining, if your stuff seems to always be a little behind, etc....then your employer has every right to have a problem with this.
The way Redditors love to reduce down a valid argument, story, event, viewpoint into some bastardized version in order to make some sort of pearl-clutching moral argument is so tired.
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u/Aggressive-Name-1783 29d ago
Most jobs aren’t getting 7-8 hours a day in an office either….
Any employer that thinks they’re getting 8 hours of work a day out of ANY employee is an idiot and shouldn’t be trusted on basic business matters…..
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Who gives a shit?
I love this...the guy who pays your check is an idiot because the salary and expectation he hired you for/under is not what he should actually be expecting - he's stupid because he hired some lazy narcissistic amoral sack of shit who thinks taking advantage of people and companies isn't wrong. In fact, he says it's the way of the world and anyone who expects different is just stupid.
You think it's cool that the WFH employee only gives him half of that? Half of whatever you think a full day of work is, champ....is it 4 hours? 3?
What you're saying is even worse, actually. The guy is paid for 8, he is only willing to give up to an arbitrary percentage of that...let's say it's 6, and your boy actually gives him 2 or 3 because he spends the rest of the time taking care of his child. That sounds totally equitable.
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u/worshipatmyaltar_ 29d ago
What his generation is wildly confused over is how this generation is breaking societal and professional norms because the ones put in place are outdated and require more effort simply to perpetuate the problematic norms. I can't tell you how many of these people truly believe that commuting to and from work is essential to doing the job and being a professional. There's a reason why our economy is do bad due to them. They'd rather lose money by renting an office space that is extremely inflated to "create a working atmosphere" instead of going remote when the jobs are 100% able to be done remotely.
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u/KiNgPiN8T3 29d ago
I could understand this with my job in IT as I don’t get to choose when shit goes wrong. However, if your job allows you to decide and choose when tasks get completed then I can’t see the problem.
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u/Fit_Earth_339 29d ago
If he’s getting his job done and his company is happy why should anyone care how he gets it done. By saying this you’ve shown that you suck as a manager and you have zero skills at adapting to changing environments. The person you were talking about has competing priorities yet seems to get everything done. He’s the champ, ur the chump.
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u/lerriuqS_terceS 29d ago
Who are these weirdos that just can't let the old office culture paradigm die.
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u/Open-Lion4782 29d ago
He’s right, as anyone who’s had a baby or a young child knows.
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u/nobodysaynothing 28d ago
This is true. I don't see any lunacy here. My friend tried to WFH with a toddler for three years at 50% time and she about lost her damn mind. Seriously she was crying in the closet
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u/West_Quantity_4520 29d ago
The entire obvious and overlooked answer to this "problem" is simple. PAY PEOPLE ENOUGH MONEY SO THEY CAN AFFORD TO LIVE!
People are doing what we have to to solve problems in our lives. Most daycare costs like $1500 a month per child, (this is what I've heard other people claim, I don't have kids, don't want them either).
And while I'm looking for a new job, I think it's appalling that companies want people with degrees and years of experience, only to pay like $1 or $2 more per hour than my current warehouse position. It's a joke!
Oh, but the CEO needs ANOTHER yacht.
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u/accountreddit12321 29d ago
How about we get rid of the whole ‘professional’ culture where people pretend they are somebody else during a work setting and everybody just be themselves. The professional culture hinders progress in many ways from the charade of double meanings to come off not sounding like a douche to the pretending to give a fuck so they will do what they were supposed to do. How cool would it be to not have to deal with two faced people and everybody seeing everyone’s true self?
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u/geriatric_patr2ck 29d ago
WFH means actually working not looking after your child. They don’t pay you to do that.
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u/Warm_Equivalent_4950 29d ago
Absolutely no kids or work/life balance, unless you own the place, like me. Or have sufficiently blown me.
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u/Current-Author7473 29d ago
His concern over his employees home life is peak micro management. If an employee gets the job done working from home in a professional, timely manner, it is not enough for him, he wants to know what you punctuate your day with.
This LinkedIn poster screams I’m shit at management harder than any other
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u/Aggressive-Name-1783 29d ago
“Do more work”
You gonna pay for that? The “minimum” is your job description. You’re the entitled type of person who thinks you should get a 5 course meal for the price of a happy meal….
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u/Aggressive-Name-1783 28d ago
Sure bud, sure. And you’re gonna get a raise while lying and acting superior on Reddit lmao
Bud, I guarantee I make more than you at a lower end position. You can stop trying to flex on Reddit (fyi, you’re also commenting and complaining on Reddit so what does that make you?”
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u/Current-Author7473 29d ago
I love your “air quotes” you remind me of my old boss.
If someone completes their allocated tasks in the allotted time, yeah they did their job, and I think you will find that is what most people mean when they describe “employment”.
If it baffles you how simple it is, that’s ok. There are books out there you can read to learn more.
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u/Current-Author7473 29d ago
Thanks, gosh, IT is ALL clear to ME now.
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u/Aggressive-Name-1783 29d ago
Lmao that is NOT how it works and this tells us you’re in some low paid hourly position. Managers are NOT taking on more tasks.
You’ve never been in the workforce and it shows
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u/Aggressive-Name-1783 28d ago
Sure you do bud, SURE.
If you work at a FAANG, you don’t have time to be posting on Reddit lmao
You know nobody beloved your weird flex right? This is like bragging on Facebook about your vacation, everyone knows you’re lying.
We also can see your comment history lmao
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u/Due-Set5398 29d ago
I mean, I did this. SAHM struggled some days and being WFH meant I could pick up some slack. Stressful to do both but the pandemic solved a lot of issues for us and I have an open mind. Crushed my sales numbers too, so that helped.
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u/Infinity3101 29d ago
What the hell the message of this post supposed to be: just leave your two month old with a babysitter for 10 hours every day (if you can even afford one) or give up your career entirely? I mean, people being able to get the best of both worlds thanks to the modern technology is something to be celebrated. I can't believe that that's a controversial opinion. And sure, not everyone likes working from home and that's fine. But for people with children it is objectively the best choice and it's fantastic that we live in a time when they are able to do that.
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u/MissingBothCufflinks 29d ago
Ahh another frankly hypocritical reddit response.
Pick one guys, caring for 2 kids isn't a real full time job, or you can't work a full time job and care for two kids at the same time.
You can't have your cake and eat it
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u/Rupperrt 29d ago
most office full time jobs aren’t really full time jobs either. People don’t work most of the time. For time sensitive jobs with lots of calls sure, otherwise doesn’t really matter as long as the deadlines are met.
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u/MissingBothCufflinks 29d ago
Many jobs don't involve clear deadlines
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u/Rupperrt 28d ago
managerial problem in that case which won’t improve productivity when in office. Pretty easy to procrastinate the day away in an office.
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u/Rupperrt 29d ago
most office full time jobs aren’t really full time jobs either. People don’t work most of the time.
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u/MissingBothCufflinks 29d ago
This isn't the amazing defence you think it is
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u/Rupperrt 28d ago edited 28d ago
it’s better than your comment as you don’t even have an argument, just an opinion
Can’t have the cake and eat it? Great, but literally means nothing in this case.
But you can set goals and targets and have your employees meet them. If they scroll YouTube, Reddit or Facebook or play solitaire or change diapers in between doesn’t really matter as long as they do their job, answer the phone, meet clients etc..
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u/PMMEBITCOINPLZ 29d ago
I’s sympathetic to work from home parents because it must be challenging. My whole company is remote and I would say about 20 percent of internal meetings are interrupted by some “But mommy I have to tell you this RIGHT NOW!” antics.
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u/Socks797 29d ago
Again look at this guys company. It’s a total fail. He’s probably just mad at the world. He has no business advising anyone.
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u/paulruk 29d ago
I mean, he's not wrong. You can't care for a baby and work. He's also a dick, but both can be true.
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u/Ok-Concentrate-2203 28d ago
This. The guys a dick, but he's not wrong. I absolutely do not knock any WFH workers that can raise a child while working, matter fact, let me know if your company's hiring, but I couldn't do this in my current role. No way.
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u/sshellzr 29d ago
I’ve been trying to explain this to my family. I wfh and am currently pregnant. Sure, I can take a 10-15 minute break to change a diaper or nurse when the time comes but what I can’t do is entertain my baby all day and work. Its sounds incredibly stressful to even try lol.
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u/Maximum-Familiar 29d ago
You know what the 3 titles in his profile mean? No job. You know what the dude he’s criticizing has? A job.
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u/inappropriatebanter 29d ago
I had a very healthy coworker suffer a stroke taking care of her twin babies and toddler while working from home.
Maybe it's doable if you get lucky with a cushy wfh job but I was miserable taking care of my kid and wfh during covid
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u/Vendetta_2023 29d ago
I hate the Internet and all these worthless brand marketer, influencer, self-proclaimed entrepreneur, career life coach, mentor type jobs that the "information" age has created. Can we please go back to the 1980s when these people had to go out and get a real job to support themselves, ugh. Worthless self-important, overpaid shits.
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u/_-Event-Horizon-_ 29d ago
I don't agree, changing diapers taught me a lot about b2b sales.
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u/0011010100110011 29d ago
I tried really hard to think of a clever diaper joke for B2B and couldn’t do it.
Just commenting in hopes someone else does and I get a notification about it, lol.
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u/OBGYNKenoby 28d ago
They both involve dealing with a bunch of crap.
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u/Bengis_Khan 26d ago
Double bonus if your kid pees on you while you're changing them. There's gotta be a LinkedIn about how getting pissed on solved someone's b2b problems.
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u/FantasticMeddler 29d ago
If you ever read Peter’s book you would understand what an elitist prick he is and how he thinks SDRs are cattle.
Being an SDR is already such a grating and unrewarding position. If someone is actually actively able to rear a child with that position and can successfully execute on their deliverables they should be celebrated. Any other professional doing that while wfh would be left alone.
The SDR role is a glorified call center role because of micromanagement freaks like him.
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u/markolius 29d ago
What’s SDR?
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u/PuzzleheadedCamel323 29d ago
Telemarketing
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u/lerriuqS_terceS 29d ago
Why is this being brigaded
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u/Misttertee_27 29d ago edited 29d ago
Because it’s not the same thing, though there are similarities
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u/Ahoy_m80_gr8_b80 28d ago
It definitely is. Just because you have 9 extra points of contact doesn’t make it any different.
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u/almeertm87 29d ago
I agree you can't be a sole caregiver and work full time, but in my mind it's not because of some high ground I want to set at work but because that would be child neglect.
I work from home and have someone watching our toddlers at home. If I have nothing going on for 30 mins you better believe I'll step out to prep food, or change my kid, or simply enjoy my time with them. My work only adds more stress to my life, those moments with my kids are stress relievers and less stress means more focus and productivity, so it's a win win situation.
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u/karlbrunswick 29d ago
Makes perfect sense to let your kid shit all over themselves while you work
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u/Specific_Cash_5538 29d ago
I hope I’m not the one to inform you but them kids gonna shit all over themselves whether you work or not
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u/Dumdumgum45 29d ago
Been waiting for someone to post this. So out of touch, like seriously dude can't read satire. Most young folk like I can understand it clear as day, and I have a baby... This dude can fart in a river
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u/pommefille 29d ago
I’ve been working from home in jobs for well over 20 years and every place had a policy that forbade parenting during work hours. It’s incredibly unfair to your coworkers and your customers and completely unprofessional. I do think work places should have more flex schedules and options for parents, but it’s so manipulative to try and double dip.
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u/FoolishConsistency17 29d ago
It's unfair to your kids. Like, the only way to do this is to train little kids to stay silent and out of sight because their needs are never as important as the parent's work.
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u/rfe86444 29d ago
Yea I agree with this. If you have a full time position, your kids should be in daycare. Can there be occasional exceptions? Of course. Can you be a the sole care provider to a child and also contribute? In most cases no.
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u/DankeMrHfmn 29d ago
Someone's mad other people can juggle families and work. Sounds like a skill issue Pete. Some of us excel at things you don't. Like NBA players at 3 pointers for example.
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u/rfe86444 29d ago
I don't think juggling both means being a primary care provider during the work day. Being a parent is a heavy job/responsibility. I work from home, but my kids are in daycare/school during the day.
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u/DankeMrHfmn 29d ago
that's you though. My buddys wife homeschools all 4 but he makes the money. Different people experience life's issues at different weights. What might weigh a lot for you may not for someone else and vice versa *she got her realtors license too.
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u/swipeys1 29d ago
Homeschools and a realtor? Woof.
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u/Ahoy_m80_gr8_b80 28d ago
Non-fundamentalist homeschooling can absolutely outpace learning from public schools, when the parent takes it seriously.
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u/DankeMrHfmn 25d ago
Smart kids too. One of them can free style rap with no cursing. Blows my mind. The other one wants to run track cause she does laps around the house while the boys tire out lol great kids. I visit him and his family once in a blue moon since theyre 8 hours away vs the 4 they used to be
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u/ElectricSnowBunny 29d ago edited 29d ago
The reason your staff is confused is because you suck at managing them and have never actually worked with a team at an actual management level.
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u/greelraker 29d ago
The reason your (super cute) staff is confused is because you suck at managing (super cute) them and have never actually worked with a (super cute) team at an actual management level.
FTFY
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u/KillKillKitty Influencer 29d ago
What's unacceptable : That this dense cabbage doesn't get that as long as the work is done, on time, nobody cares if half of that time was spent changing diapers.
He's the type of guy who would micro-manage others 100% and find you shite to do even if there is literally nothing to do.I have no time whatsover to BIG BROTHER my team. I only care about the quality of the input, on time.
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u/Visual-Practice6699 28d ago
Do you have kids? Have you watched an infant while trying to work?
I worked in customer facing roles and tried a few times when my daughter got called out of daycare. Your working day is gone. If you’re customer facing, that means you do NOT meet your obligations, because you can’t leave little kids alone, and you can’t make up for it at night because your customers are gone.
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u/Safreti 28d ago
Honestly, that sounds like, in your specific case, you weren't able to meet your obligations while also doing childcare. So the actual issue is that you weren't able to meet your obligations. Nowhere, in this post, does he say that the team members are under-performing/ not meeting targets.
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u/Visual-Practice6699 28d ago
He says the guy is an SDR. Do you know what SDRs do? They call people. All day. That’s their job. You can’t make it up after work hours.
I was not an SDR, I was in technical sales, which would be much friendlier to this issue because I could at least reschedule existing calls (that had been booked by my SDR dialing people all day).
There are definitely some types of jobs that would make this easier (not client facing, SWE, transactional, etc.), and I’ve done some of those jobs myself, but the point of the post was people being confused by someone getting away with doing something that absolutely does not fit those criteria.
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u/Nocturnal_Doom 24d ago
What does it stand for please?
Also, on the topic of making calls all day, I would expect him to get fired if he’s not doing his job. They’re probably using the time they would to make a coffee to change diapers instead.
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u/Visual-Practice6699 24d ago
SDR is sales development rep. Their job is pre-sales to find warm leads.
The guy posting this is highlighting that dissonance exactly… you’ve entirely missed his point.
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u/Nocturnal_Doom 23d ago
Thanks and no, I’m not missing anything. You love micromanaging, do keep licking boots maybe one day you’ll be bezos. 🤡
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u/Visual-Practice6699 23d ago
Bro, I work for myself, there are no boots to lick. Which thankfully means that I won’t ever suffer under working with you.
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u/BecomeEnthused 29d ago
It’s not that he doesn’t know. It’s a power thing. He wants 100% of you because he feels that’s what he deserves for 10 hours a day.
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u/Beowulf891 29d ago
This is the kind of person who would get upset that I don't "manage my time properly" despite getting a lot of stuff done. I get "I know your job better than you do" vibes from this clownshow.
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u/DrWilliamBlock 29d ago
So you don’t care about productivity? Your being paid for your output AND your time, if you spend half the time I’m paying you doing another job that is theft, it also means you work load is too light or your job can be absorbed by a more productive employee.
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u/Safreti 28d ago
That's not true. You're being paid for your output - it's just that the best way we've come up with to quantify that is time. E.g., "These tasks should take someone who's paid $X/hour about 40 hours to do." If it takes them less time than 40 hours, why do you care? That employee that you're thinking of as "more productive" has just learned that what you care about isn't the actual work, it's the appearance of doing work, so they've mastered the art of padding out the time it actually takes to do something -e.g., they've become less productive to please your micromanaging phobia.
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u/KillKillKitty Influencer 29d ago
" Productivity " isn't about cramming shite into hours. I wrote " quality ". Maybe you sell shite on the phone and all that matters to you is how many people you bothered today?
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u/lawyersgunsmoney 29d ago
Years ago I worked in sales and management decided we needed to fill out these time sheets which were set up in 15 minute increments to track what we were doing.
They dropped it after a month since we were taking up valuable time filling out the sheet instead of making sales calls.
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u/Wukash_of_the_South 28d ago
Last job we argued and got codes for the time it took us to do the time cards.
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u/Nocturnal_Doom 24d ago
We have this at my work place and I still log about 15mins towards logging time.
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u/AlternativeAmazing31 25d ago
Shut up Peter.